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“Can Art Survive Google Panel” at SXSW

Posted on March 16, 2007
Filed Under 2007, SXSW 2007 |

All I have to say is if this panel had been on Monday or Tuesday, it would have set the blogosphere alight. Folks, this is what we’re up against, and very few Daniels came to see the Lion. I’ll just post my notes from the session for you all to see (exs tags are my comments).

Added on top of this was the fact that the moderator decided on a ‘no questions from the floor’ policy, only taking in questions (which he screened) on little pieces of paper. Any audience interruptions were parried with the skill of David Ogden Stiers acting opposite Raymond Burr.

Basically I pretty much fumed at the back of the panel until the end, when enough was enough. My notes read like this…

Okay with a few mintues to go they want to hit on orphan works. No I’m not taking this any more, I’m going to stand up and dare to ask a question. That a SXSW panel has to come down to going head to head against the moderator to have any debate.

…and I forced my question into the discussion flow. “Can we ask who represents the consumer on this panel?” The answer? “No you can’t ask.” (Eric Rice has a chain of thought blog posts starting at the above link as well). I’m sorry, I;m going to debate strongly that it should be asked. Turns out the audience was on my side and wanted the question answered as well. Result? End of Panel, thank you for coming.

After the session the number of poeple asking for my card was testimony to the most one sided, ill moderated panel at SXSW (or any conference) I have ever been at.

Which didn’t stop me interviewing the moderator (Christian Castle) for the Tech Conference Podcast. That should be up over the weekend.

SXSW Google is Evil

Moderator: Chris Castle Managing Partner, Christian L Castle Attorneys

Marybeth Peters Register of Copyright, Library of Congress, US Copyright Office
Ali Aydar COO, SNOCAP Inc (ex of Napster)
Rebecca Greenberg Natl Dir, Recording Artists’ Coalition
Rick Carnes Pres, Songwriters Guild of America
Jay Faires Pres of Music & Publishing, Lionsgate
Patrick Ross Sr Fellow & VP Comms, The Progress & Freedom Foundation

Who is representing the listener or consumer on this panel?

We have to write down questions on a piece of paper for the moderator?

CC Misconstuing the DMCA by saying ‘Google is permitting clips.’
MP Explanation of DMCA takedown - physical world is different to the digital world - DMCA adds a protection of copyright. Providers wanted more certaintly if they were “merely” hosting . Copyright Extension was traded with the value of DMCA
AA ‘Is youtube making a copy?’ YT accepts the content, which is then transcoded, thus creating NEW content, and thus direct copy.
PR ergo not covered by DMCA. Copyright intent was an opt-in process.
RG Are there peopel wanting to be exploited by Google/YouTube. Professional (living) artists want to be created. THis removes the artist choice. If google has cash, why can’t they police?
RC And how do we ‘police’ the other myriad sites. “People die of exposure too.” And they’re doing adverts, so they are selling, where’s my portion?
MP The solution is an accoustic fingerprint (after all, they filter porn - but isn’t this a user generation). So if they can do this, are they shaking us down.
CC google’s answer is to give you cut of the revenue after negotiation.
PR the copyright owner should negotiate adverting themselves, not rely on GOogle. ie Comedy Central want it on their site.
RC living on one song for many many years (exs COPYRIGHT is NOT infinite) They can;t search for ‘circle c’
MP we turned down google to digitise the works of library of congress
CC are we surprised that google are wanting to change the law (exs: this comes from the panel arguing against the DMCA)
MP We should do this in the confines of the law (exs ahem DMCA)
CC Why should we spend our creative time searing google
RC I’m a servant - a servant of google. Away from the manufacturing and the industry
CC Is there a massive social cost to thinking Goggle’s DMCA lookout is correct? Takes $10 per takedonw per instance ‘it is in their commerical interest to not filter’
Audience: ANd he trys to remind us all written questions only afte the audience jump to correct re CBS YT deal

Questions
Q. Thread of Did you invite google. Nobody asked to appear from Google. Picking on a google employee in the audience.
Q. What is the EU doing on this issue? MP there is no EU takedown regieme, trying to argue fiar use in the UK (exs which doesn not exist)
Q. Why is it okay for Radio, and not Google (RC: I signed to ASCAP and get paid). Also US is chasing a PRS deal in america.

(from IRC)
[11:58] So to summarize: panel with no official backchannel, no consumer representation and roadblocks placed in the way of open debate?
[11:58] yes
[11:58]
welcome to the music biz

Comments

3 Responses to ““Can Art Survive Google Panel” at SXSW”

  1. Tom Reynolds on March 16th, 2007 19:25

    So like all damage on the internet, we need to route around it. Us interent people will get our messages out there without the need for daft-arse ‘panels’.

  2. SXSW - Is Google Evil - Licence to Roam on March 16th, 2007 19:29

    […] Read this from Ewan, notes from a SXSW Music Panel on Is Google Evil? With no consumer representation on the panel and no questions from the floor without being written down and screened by the moderator and I forced my question into the discussion flow. “Can we ask who represents the consumer on this panel?” The answer? “No you can’t ask.” (Eric Rice has a chain of thought blog posts starting at the above link as well). I’m sorry, I’m going to debate strongly that it should be asked. Turns out the audience was on my side and wanted the question answered as well. Result? End of Panel, thank you for coming. Technorati Tags: google, sxswLicenseThis work is published under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 License. Posted by Rachel on March 16th, 2007 Filed in sxsw, conference […]

  3. Chris Pirillo on March 16th, 2007 23:49

    http://chris.pirillo.com/media/2006/11/24/musictech-summit-and-personal-updates/

    Ewan - you’ll enjoy this recording, I guarantee. ;) Skip past the first part until the panel starts. Believe me, I’m completley with you - as a consumer, and as a conference producer.

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